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got a 4.6 4v for my roller what goodies should i add? - 09-28-2012

i got a 01 roller on corba wheels for 1k from a friend and i got a compleat 93 4.6 4v out of a linc. with the auto tranny for 400 from another friend the only problem i see as of now is i will have to extend to motors harness to reach the pass side of the car cuz its on the driver side of the motor and i know i will have to re wire the injectors.. anything else?

i plan on doing a fully forged motor as i plan on running boost and i know the motor doesnt even have a forged crank :/ anyone run a boosted stroker? any input?

what would the limit of that block be? from a couple things i have read it is 1000hp and correct me if im wrong but i dont see that being even slightly possible..

im looking for around a 600hp street car but im not rolling in cash im not looking to have someone talk trash just usefull info
   
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The block is good and strong and will handle the power; just, other parts in it cant (nor can the trans). The crank is your weaker component as are the standard rods/pistons.
As far as stroking, I'd suggest instead, boring oversize or keeping the same size, and stock stroke, especially with a blower in its future.

Sounds like a nice little project


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i was kinda thinkin just keeping the stand. stroke but i know i will have to go full forged. lets say full forged 4v what would be a safe bost number 16-18? i think in the range i would be near 500? and i plan on selling that tranny(or scrapping) and going with a turbo 400 or a 5 or 6 speed i just got it cuz he said it was a package deal only. and i couldnt pass up 400 bucks for a low milage 4v that i seen run strong multiple times even though its that old
   
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and it will be a fun little project im only 20 so it will take a little while to get it together and yes i know thats a lot of power for a 20 year old kid but i know how to handle it lol
   
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16-18 psi will get you quite a bit over 500, if that's your goal.
There's quite a few people I know running that same block in 3V applications, and making well over 600 hp.


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thats what i wanted to hear.. im looking for a weekend toy that i can take to the track yet still have it reliable and on pump gas
   
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I have installed Lincoln Mark 8 engines into 3 cars that never should have had that engine (one being a Studebaker Avanti) and can give you solid advice, but you have to understand one thing; you may not want to hear what I am saying, but it is the truth as I have lived it.

You have what appears to be a beautiful roller to start with. If it is a v6 car, you can "somewhat" easily convert it to a v8 4.6 sohc if you find a donor car. If it came with a 4.6 stock, you can meet your goals using a 4.6 sohc and save yourself tons of money. Get a solid, running 4.6 sohc with all of the wiring, etc and get it running. Then, add the improvements as you go along.

The Mark 8 has a harness/computer that is completely NOT useable for your chassis. It cannot be adapted or made to fit. You are crossing an OBD-II body and and an earlier engine and the returnless fuel system is not the only problem you will face. You MUST get a 2001-era (99-04) harness and computer for a GT or Cobra, including dash harness, guage panel and steering column (maybe $400-500 from a salvage guy like MPS, but better deals can be found with salvage).

If you insist on using the "B" head Mark engine, you will have to get coil-on-plug valve covers and coils for about $300, buy IMRC-delete plates to get rid of the ridiculous secondary throttle vacuum tube mess (MMR and others sell them for about $250), and most important- you MUST get a 96-98 Cobra intake manifold for about $300 (the Mark T-body position is too far back and hits the firewall, it also makes it extremely difficult to service the IMRC/EGR, etc).

Building a forged shortblock will cost you a bit. I do not think you should go stroker. You can get a used Cobra forged 4.6 crank for $300-400, get it cut and rebalanced for $300 more, or just get a new Cobra crank for $600 and about $100 to rebalance.

You should get Manley H-beams. The generic H-beams are always suspect for blems. The Manley parts will cost you about $500. Used 03/04 Cobra Manley rods will get you for $300 or so, but should be checked for damage due to being beaten hard.

Your forged pistons are application specific. The dished pistons out there will likely run you $500-800. Since you are hoping to boost it, you should get premium rings for another $150 or so. Cutting corners will only lead to regrets.

Boring your Teksid block, align-honing, truing the decks and torque-plate honing will cost you about $600. You should, at your boost level, get ARP main bolts for $200-300 and the need to be installed before the align-hone.

Rebuilding your old-style "B" heads will cost you about $500. You need upgraded valvesprings to handle the boost-push on the intake valves and the mating surface have to be perfect. You will also need ARP studs to replace the junk TTY bolts (another $200). Your safer bet would be to buy a new set of "C" heads (many places on ebay have new heads assembled for $300/pair (then you need a 99-01 Cobra intake for about $300 used). Stock Ford head gaskets will be good, but $100 a pair.

You need improved oiling, like billet oil pump gear and 7 quart pan, so add about $400. You should upgrade your fuel system to the 03/03 Cobra pumps, but even further upgrades are needed when you go over 500hp). Your "custom turbo kit will cost you whatever it costs you, but figure on $1000. Your idea of a tranny swap to GM TH400 will cost you a few thousand. There are PLENTY of people using the 4r70w and making well over 600hp, so don't be afraid to use that Mark 8 trans.
   
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